Coronavirus aka COVID-19 thread

[baldy1]

Mar 24, 2022 6:09:31 GMT -6 allend said:

Mar 23, 2022 15:16:22 GMT -6 michael said:

There's some shunned doctors on twitter who claim it works, and a friend of mine said it fixed her mom's long covid in a couple of days. So the short answer is no, no clinical evidence, but stories here and there. It might be just the placebo I need! Or it might even actually work!

Curious. Two years and no one has clinically tested Ivermectin, even though a portion of the world seems to be using it with some success? (And by some accounts a number of folks in the US including members of Congress have used it - no proof to this).

Almost feels like they don’t want us to know. I can only speculate reasons.

The entire narrative to Covid in the US has been: You have to get vaccinated.

Why wouldn’t they be testing the efficacy of dirt cheap Ivermectin? Or the vitamin cocktails some folks take? Or anything that seems to have results. Why shun folks willing to suggest alternates that might have an effect? Lotta money being thrown at the three fast track approved.

You hit the nail on the head re: two years and still no final unified verdict/study on ivermectin/COVID. We all saw comments online by doctors saying they were having success with the combo of things like Vit D, zinc and ivermectin to just ignore it. The CDC just says it isn’t approved as a treatment for COVID. But if I wanna take a pill that’s been around 50 years or so to see if it works on improving COVID symptoms and it won’t otherwise harm me, why should anybody dictate otherwise? “It’s my body”, yadda yadda.

I certainly saw improvement once i started taking zinc as I couldn’t smell (or everything smelled metallic) for months. The whole thing just makes me suspicious of motive given the lack of push to truly rule it out.

[Deleted]

Maybe we should try paint thinner or anti freeze while we’re at it.

[michael]

Mar 24, 2022 6:09:31 GMT -6 allend said:

Mar 23, 2022 15:16:22 GMT -6 michael said:

There's some shunned doctors on twitter who claim it works, and a friend of mine said it fixed her mom's long covid in a couple of days. So the short answer is no, no clinical evidence, but stories here and there. It might be just the placebo I need! Or it might even actually work!

Curious. Two years and no one has clinically tested Ivermectin, even though a portion of the world seems to be using it with some success? (And by some accounts a number of folks in the US including members of Congress have used it - no proof to this).

Almost feels like they don’t want us to know. I can only speculate reasons.

The entire narrative to Covid in the US has been: You have to get vaccinated.

Why wouldn’t they be testing the efficacy of dirt cheap Ivermectin? Or the vitamin cocktails some folks take? Or anything that seems to have results. Why shun folks willing to suggest alternates that might have an effect? Lotta money being thrown at the three fast track approved.

There have actually been a whole bunch of clinical trials of ivermectin all over the world (just google "ivermectin trial" and peruse all the results), and for the most part it doesn't seem to help prevent severe covid. I actually just saw this study which looked at 12 different trials, and they claim that in the ivermectin trials that showed some benefit, a roundworm that ivermectin treats is prevalent (in other words, probably a lot of people have this parasite and don't know it, and treating covid with ivermectin cures them of this parasite and results in better covid outcomes)

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2790173

There are a lots of other studies/trials too, but I'll let you google them yourself rather than link them all. If you've been told no one is studying ivermectin, you've been lied to. There are studies going back to 2020. Some of the studies show some benefit, most show no benefit, thus the controversy. Both sides claim the other's results are due to methodological errors.

Now I haven't actually seen any studies that looked at ivermectin treating long covid... but that's because no one cares about us, not because of some conspiracy.

[Tar Heel TIGER!!!]

Mar 23, 2022 20:00:00 GMT -6 michael said:

I accidentally splashed our forsythia bush with a little bit of weed killer last year and it is struggling. Is this why all this is happening to me?

I love forsythia, but everybody knows it can hold a grudge like nobody's business.  And no, I'm not asking about yours.

[allend]

Mar 24, 2022 8:37:39 GMT -6 seanzie said:

Maybe we should try paint thinner or anti freeze while we’re at it.

Sane folks taking antifreeze or paint thinner without harm for other things and noticing a potential prophylactic effect? If so, sure.

[allend]

Mar 24, 2022 9:11:50 GMT -6 Tar Heel TIGER!!! said:

Mar 23, 2022 20:00:00 GMT -6 michael said:

I accidentally splashed our forsythia bush with a little bit of weed killer last year and it is struggling. Is this why all this is happening to me?

I love forsythia, but everybody knows it can hold a grudge like nobody's business.  And no, I'm not asking about yours.

Preferred his role in Charlie’s Angels to Dynasty.

[Deleted]

Look man, if people want to take snake oil and find a doc to prescribe it for them then so be it. If they can’t, well maybe there’s a reason. Michael has posted great stuff here without the caustic nonsense which is my specialty.

[baldy1]

Mar 24, 2022 8:37:39 GMT -6 seanzie said:

Maybe we should try paint thinner or anti freeze while we’re at it.

But that’s poison and Ivermectin ain’t.

No idea if it has any benefit or not but I sure wanted to give something a try that’s been around for 50 years. It certainly wouldn’t have made me feel worse than I did once I got COVID multiple times.

Besides, my mama always said I had a tapeworm when I was growing up, so that wouldn’t likely be an issue going forward after the ivermectin treatment.

[Deleted]

Mar 24, 2022 17:23:20 GMT -6 baldy1 said:

Mar 24, 2022 8:37:39 GMT -6 seanzie said:

Maybe we should try paint thinner or anti freeze while we’re at it.

But that’s poison and Ivermectin ain’t.

No idea if it has any benefit or not but I sure wanted to give something a try that’s been around for 50 years. It certainly wouldn’t have made me feel worse than I did once I got COVID multiple times.

Besides, my mama always said I had a tapeworm when I was growing up, so that wouldn’t likely be an issue going forward after the ivermectin treatment.

Tasty poison

[steve]

Isn't Ivermectin that drug that will turn you into a horse if you take it?

[Deleted]

Mar 25, 2022 10:44:08 GMT -6 steve said:

Isn't Ivermectin that drug that will turn you into a horse if you take it?

There’s a horse’s 244 joke but I haven’t had enough coffee to find it

[Jimmy]

Mar 24, 2022 8:55:08 GMT -6 michael said:

Mar 24, 2022 6:09:31 GMT -6 allend said:

Curious. Two years and no one has clinically tested Ivermectin, even though a portion of the world seems to be using it with some success? (And by some accounts a number of folks in the US including members of Congress have used it - no proof to this).

Almost feels like they don’t want us to know. I can only speculate reasons.

The entire narrative to Covid in the US has been: You have to get vaccinated.

Why wouldn’t they be testing the efficacy of dirt cheap Ivermectin? Or the vitamin cocktails some folks take? Or anything that seems to have results. Why shun folks willing to suggest alternates that might have an effect? Lotta money being thrown at the three fast track approved.

There have actually been a whole bunch of clinical trials of ivermectin all over the world (just google "ivermectin trial" and peruse all the results), and for the most part it doesn't seem to help prevent severe covid. I actually just saw this study which looked at 12 different trials, and they claim that in the ivermectin trials that showed some benefit, a roundworm that ivermectin treats is prevalent (in other words, probably a lot of people have this parasite and don't know it, and treating covid with ivermectin cures them of this parasite and results in better covid outcomes)

jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2790173

There are a lots of other studies/trials too, but I'll let you google them yourself rather than link them all. If you've been told no one is studying ivermectin, you've been lied to. There are studies going back to 2020. Some of the studies show some benefit, most show no benefit, thus the controversy. Both sides claim the other's results are due to methodological errors.

Now I haven't actually seen any studies that looked at ivermectin treating long covid... but that's because no one cares about us, not because of some conspiracy.

Released today

www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2115869

[allend]

Glad I haven’t been faced with the need to consider the use of Ivermectin.

Coin flip? Dunno. Tin foil moment - I’ve become a bit of a cynic, all of the way around.

If I feel threatened enough reckon I’d take it. Or more likely just go back to my Zinc, Quercetin, D and C..

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8088823/#__ffn_sectitle

[michael]

The top author on that study (Kory) is actually the leader of the group of "shunned doctors" I referred to in an earlier post. One journal retracted an earlier paper because of incorrect mortality figures (https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/08850666211049062).

That one you just shared has been hit with an "expression of concern"

retractionwatch.com/2022/02/11/ivermectin-papers-slapped-with-expressions-of-concern/

My best guess is taking the thing probably doesn't hurt or help, but I understand people throwing the kitchen sink at covid. And it very probably helps people with covid who unknowingly have underlying conditions that are treatable by ivermectin.

[ehyou]

All you knuckleheads need to be hit with an expression of concern.